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Unread postPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:03 pm 
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MrsDesh - what was that cartoon you referred to - I will love him and pet him and name him George - it's somewhere in my brain, I just can't find it!


It's called The Abominable Snow Rabbit, with Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck. :)


Anyway, I wouldn't say I feel nurturing towards pets either and I most certainly don't see them as kid substitutes. Friends, possibly, or even family members.

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I have some ideas as to why I feel a strong affinity, duty, and love to my two dogs and not to babies.

First the physical part. I never enjoyed looking at babies. The more troubling part is when they stare at me with this vacant look. I get uncomfortable when a baby looks at me, and I do not feel like responding to the baby's vacant stares with a game of peek-a-boo or that motherease whiny voice talk. To me a defenseless, vacant stare, and the general facial features of a baby (big head, bald, googly eyes, wobbly head) has always turned me off. I'm not repulsed by it...just indifferent and uncomfortable - I don't like the feeling of feeling obligated to respond to the vacant stare. I also dislike the smell of babies. It's not just the crap in diaper smell, it's that "baby smell" baby-crazy women talk about that makes me gag. I especially hate that typical perfume in baby powder. I think it's gross that they put that same scent in some sanitary napkins for women. It almost feels demeaning...like I'm a baby that craps my pants.

A puppy however is very different. The breathe and smell of a puppy's paws makes me so happy inside. I love playing with toys with a puppy (and even my adult dogs). Sometimes if I have a glass of wine in my dark living room with my two dogs resting with me on the couch, the stroking of their fur relaxes and rejuvinates me. Also, when they sit next to me on the couch and I hug them, I love the smell of their fur.

Now the emotional part. I love my dogs because they don't criticize what food I buy them (I by them quality food with no animal-by-products), they are gracious when I buy them a toy - any toy! If something is bugging me I talk to them, they listen, and never say, "We've talked about this before."

I have always been aware that children seem to always size up their parents. Children could also hold grudges against parents for a long time - or forever. To me the negatives of children/babies far outweight the positives I get from my simple- to -please- dogs. I don't need the burden of stress of wondering if I am always doing the right thing for a child, and if not will the child always bring it up for the rest of your life? Ugh... my siblings have always given lots of crap to my parents for not paying for their college, and my siblings continue to talk about how much they resent my parents for this - even though both of my parents have died.

All this proof that my affection and love for pets will always withstand the test when juxtaposed with children.


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I find a wide variety of things adorable: puppies, kittens, baby sloths, jumping spiders, bats, bunnies, etc. I don't feel particularly nurturing or protective towards any of them, though. I mean, I wouldn't want them (or pretty much anything else) to be hurt, but there's no urge to pick them up and take care of them forever and ever, either. I like watching them, and maybe playing with them for an hour or so, but I'm a big fan of things that can take care of themselves when I go off to live my own life. Dependency is not endearing to me.

But if I had to choose between an animal or a baby, I'd go for the animal any day.

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I can relate when it comes to dependency. That's one of the main reasons I'll never get a dog - I find them needy and clingy... Almost like kids.

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I'm a certified animal person and crazy cat lady. But I am totally un-nurturing. It isn't the nurturing part of having pets that I enjoy -- it's their individuality and personalities, and how they choose to interact with me. I love puppies and kittens (and have no interest in human babies at all), but I actually prefer them to belong to someone else -- they are too much like hard work, and I don't like the responsibility of having to bring them up to be happy and tolerable cats and dogs (although I do it if I have to). I prefer owning adult pets, and would always rather adopt a second-hand one. Then you know what you are getting.

To me a pet isn't a baby or child -- I want it to be an interesting individual that I want to spend time with but that can look after themselves a lot of the day.


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Unread postPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:54 am 
I'm an animal person, not a people person. I often find animals cute and I feel protective of them, also of the ones I don't think are cute.

However, for me this isn't a focus on animals instead of on humans/children/babies. It is separate. What I mean by that is that, although I love interacting with animals and am active in animal protection, I could very happily live my life without keeping one if I knew that they were all living in fairly intact natural habitats, if there were none abandoned and trying to survive on the streets and none living in shelters and rescue facilities. I would not favour breeding pets. I am against producing them.

I enjoy the company of animals immensely, but the reason for it coming about is need, not purely desire.

That is my issue with people who think having pets is (always) another form of "mothering". Whatever I get out of it personally, for me, it is a by-product of necessity. Children are typically produced and raised because people desire them, not because they are there and someone needs to care for them. The latter exist, but people don't take much notice of them and they form a category that is only considered as a last resort when the desire for a child cannot be fulfilled by reproducing, usually.

My reasons for keeping pets derive from the same place as my reasons for trying to reduce pollution: the wish to minimise suffering. This is cannot converge with people's reasons for having children, as creating a living being that would not otherwise exist increases suffering. It annoys me when people confuse the two.


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I find that enjoy the company of my dogs more than most of the people I have met.

That having been said I have a great number of very close friends. I enjoy their company very much. We enjoy shared interests and passions. Some of them have children. They still have lives outside of their children.

However I do understand when their children need their parents.
Has never bothered me.

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I can relate when it comes to dependency. That's one of the main reasons I'll never get a dog - I find them needy and clingy... Almost like kids.

I feel the same way about dogs! Love them way more than kids, but I'm not a fan of the fact that they require almost as much attention as children. I'd pick them over the latter though! If I ever did want one (dog - not kid!), I'd rather be in a live-in relationship with someone. I have no idea how single people take care of dogs without spending a fortune on doggie day care. At least with cats, they are independent to a point, and they don't go nuts if they don't see me for a couple of days.

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I agree with the dog folks. I have a dog and she is my friend and companion. Not my child. Not anything like a child would be. Her costs and stuff are not very high at all and she is not hard to take care of at all. Her costs and care is well worth the reward of having her lay in my lap on the couch or sleep next to me in bed. The costs and care of having a child? Woo I'm going to have to pass on that adventure. In my opinion animals are not really a replacement for kids. Specially comparing costs and care. Animals to babies is almost not comparable. But I am also single making her play more of a companion roll than a burden on me.


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