Feminism has given me all the rights to follow my ambitions and dreams. I am feminist, yes and being Childfree has got allot to do with feminism, because I would not have the choice of being childfree if it was not for feminism.
@Danisty, feminism is not against a woman relying on her husbands income, feminism is just about giving women the choice of being a house wife or going a different direction if she wants to.
Feminism is not against porn unless it's workers are treated unfairly or are in the porn industry without their consent. I watch porn sometimes and I enjoy it.
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While I consider myself a feminist, it doesn't have to do with my choice to not have children. Childfreedom has however probably made me identify more as a feminist in a way seeing how women's health is often put on the back burner and women's sterilization and birth control is more limited than I feel it should be at this point in time.
I do not understand refusing to identify as feminist because of the maternity leave argument of how some other feminists act. You can choose what you want to support and what you feel is more important. That would be like refusing to be a vegetarian because of PETA. With that mindset, you might as well not identify as anything.
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Crystal-Mask wrote:
@Danisty, feminism is not against a woman relying on her husbands income, feminism is just about giving women the choice of being a house wife or going a different direction if she wants to.
In theory, I believe that. In practice, I have yet to see it. Just browse some of the older threads on this forum and you'll see plenty examples.
Crystal-Mask wrote:
Feminism is not against porn unless it's workers are treated unfairly or are in the porn industry without their consent. I watch porn sometimes and I enjoy it.
You'll find plenty of examples of this being untrue as well.
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I do not understand refusing to identify as feminist because of the maternity leave argument of how some other feminists act. You can choose what you want to support and what you feel is more important. That would be like refusing to be a vegetarian because of PETA. With that mindset, you might as well not identify as anything.
Oh, it's not just the pro-natalist stuff. That's only one small issue. As for not identifying as anything, I don't really.
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@ Danisty, those comments had nothing to do with feminism, they were just the opinions of people who don't like porn or disliked the idea of a female housewife. If you are feminist you won't necessarily be against porn/house wives, or if you are not feminist you won't necessarily support porn or like the idea of housewives.
I personally want to get married but many people stereotype feminists as people who dislike marriage which is not true.
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50 shades of grey isn't a good indication of anything. It is a piss poor completely inaccurate representation of the BDSM community. Radical feminism (the idiots who call themselves feminist but in reality nothing more than misanganists who have no ability to see outside their own tunnel vision) is a big opponent of pornography and BDSM whereas feminism works with masculism (the mens movement) to reshape our culture away the oppressive rape culture slut shaming patriarchy (which is oppressive to men and women) and create a culture where women aren't oppressed for being women and men aren't constraint in the bindings of their version of maniless and gender roles. It's about giving women and men equal rights not only legally but on a social and culture level, women can wear pants but can men wear dresses in public with ridicule or harassment? No they can't because the gender expectation of men says that another remotely construed as being feminine is bad because woman are bad.
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I have a reply to Danisty to post, but no matter how many times I shorten and edit it, I keep getting "403 Forbidden" if this post works, is there someone who can tell me what's wrong?
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Dani: Feminism has opened more doors for women to take if they choose. Many women choose to take the hetereonormative lifescript path much like the 1950's, women at home child rearing, men at work. Now women have higher education and can have careers. It's not expected we marry young and pop out many children. 50 years ago women didn't have that choice. Now they do but like all choices, you don't have to take it.
Can someone point me towards the nutty feminists? Whenever I read something feminist it tends to be by the more sensible types who it's pretty impossible to argue with...I haven't actually seen much material by the screaming loonies everyone keeps talking about.
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Green Glass wrote:
With that mindset, you might as well not identify as anything.
Exactly my viewpoint, I don't and I don't understand why people feel the need to....but to each his/her own. As soon as you stick a label on something it come with all kinds of preconceived notions.....
I'm struggling to understand the logic of 'women enjoy the freedoms they now have because of the efforts of those in the past, therefore all women should identify as feminists'.... Isn't that the same kind of thinking that would say 'because we all benefit from the work of doctors we should all identify as doctors', or any aspect of our current culture which has been brought about by those who campaign for reform?
What's so wrong with just stating, I agree with equal rights for all, regardless.....e.g. women and men have the same rights to control,make decisions and take action about their own bodies. My body my choice...that's not gender specific, but still gives women freedom on contraception and birth control including abortion. To me that's not an exclusively feminist stance, but asa woman gets you to the same end.
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I'm for equal human rights, I don't think anyone should be oppressed - I like CarryOn's term, "Personist", but I worry the nutjobs are just going to start giving it to unborn fetuses!
I'm a little reluctant to voice this opinion, but here goes: I don't believe Feminists are responsible for all the lifestyles choices we now enjoy. There have been many women throughout history who have chosen to not have children, even further back than 50 years ago. As far as the choice to have a career - a lot of that began due to various wars (needed able body workers).
NOW I'm not saying that women have not contributed to raising awareness and helped secure future generations with better laws, healthcare, education and career opportunities (among other things). I'm simply saying - there have always been women who lived life on their own terms, and ones who fought to allow others to do the same - and they didn't necessarily identify as Feminist. I am grateful to anyone that has helped oppressed people - no matter what form it has taken.
Whether someone thinks this all still falls under "Feminism" and these people were simply unaware or unwilling to admit this is a bit of a treturous path, since labels can often do a lot more harm than good - ex: dividing people.
I do use a few - I'm CF, bi-sexual - I find these help me to understand myself and how I "fit" into society. I don't even idenity as CFBC now - because it wasn't really a choice - except in the sense that I allowed myself to be who a truly am; so there were no other "considerations" to my not having children.
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