Sorry, but the vast majority of women simply have no interest in doing any of those jobs.
Ah, I see. I guess that black folk must also have no interest in those jobs.
And did women also have no interest in voting before 1920? I suppose that there was also a time when we simply had no interest in owning property, or in controlling our fertility either.
And I sure do love me some white males writing laws mandating medically unnecessary trans vaginal ultrasounds, and pushing for fertilized eggs to be granted personhood.
Ever wonder why the Equal Rights Amendment just can't get ratified? I mean, if we truly are all equal now, what's the harm in making our rights constitutionally protected?
I think feminism today is not just about getting more rights for working mothers, as someone was saying (that may be part of it), but today's feminism tends to be very hostile to Christians in general, Christian females in particular, and hostile towards Republicans and conservatives (including female ones).
Some "Child Free" people are not liberal, democrat, pro- abortion, or atheistic /agnostic, but I rarely see that acknolwedged on forums like this. Many who post on forums like this regularly bash Christians/ conservatives, etc, and that is a huge turn off to me.
The new breed of feminism has been encouraging women for 20 or more years now to be just as tawdry and sexually loose as males have been for decades, as though sleeping around is "empowering," or that pr0n is acceptable, and I don't agree with any of that.
Sorry, but the vast majority of women simply have no interest in doing any of those jobs.
Ah, I see. I guess that black folk must also have no interest in those jobs.
And did women also have no interest in voting before 1920? I suppose that there was also a time when we simply had no interest in owning property, or in controlling our fertility either.
And I sure do love me some white males writing laws mandating medically unnecessary trans vaginal ultrasounds, and pushing for fertilized eggs to be granted personhood.
Ever wonder why the Equal Rights Amendment just can't get ratified? I mean, if we truly are all equal now, what's the harm in making our rights constitutionally protected?
It's a straw-man because it misrepresents the initial statement. "Vast majority" is no the equivalent of "no" or "none". Some women fought against women's suffrage. Women who strictly adhere to Catholic doctrine regarding contraception and do not use natural family planning could be said to have no interest in controlling their fertility. However, the women I would typically categorize as having no interest in controlling their fertility are the drug-addled misanthropes that have most or all of their children taken away by the state, but continue popping out offspring that they cannot possibly hope to support.
I'll levy the same criticism against the overall tone of the post that I always do... if it's that important to you for a woman to become the US President, a CEO, etc, then it's up to you to either be a candidate, or support one. Until then, you're not doing anything more than making unsubstantiated accusations of oppression (white men vs. all women) based on a massive conspiracy theory (patriarchy).
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Until then, you're not doing anything more than making unsubstantiated accusations of oppression (white men vs. all women) based on a massive conspiracy theory (patriarchy).
The patriarchy as a concept isn't about a group of rich white men controlling things from the shadows to make life harder for women. It's more of a pervading cultural attitude towards people of both genders. It contributes to stuff like rape culture and other discriminatory practices. If more people are curious about it, they can check out this:
Which is a collection of news articles and whatnot that illustrate how rape culture shapes our society. This is the sort of thing that makes me feel like feminism (or egalitarianism) is still necessary in the western world today.
The same blog did a collection of stuff regarding common feminist tropes and the like:
It's a straw-man because it misrepresents the initial statement.
An initial statement that, as I recall, purported to omnisciently know what "the vast majority" of women have an interest in.
Let's try this again then.
jayd wrote:
Sorry, but the vast majority of women simply have no interest in doing any of those jobs.
And you know this - how, exactly? Since you are speaking on behalf of what the "vast majority" of women have an interest in (hundreds of millions or perhaps even billions of us!), please provide statistics backing this claim up.
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Freethinker wrote:
I'm doing a feminist topic for my MSc dissertation and I find this all fascinating!
I identify as feminist and I think it is an identity very much tied up with my CF identity. I noticed growing up how women with kids, even those who I knew that worked, slipped into the sterotypical gender roles and it wasn't something I was ever going to be happy with, so I think both view points influenced and reinforced each other.
The way I understand it there are 'feminisms' so to say 'feminists say this or that' is very inaccurate. As someone has said many academic feminists are very interested in ideas around 'intersectionality', how women have different experiences of being a woman based on their race and sexuality. For me feminism is not so much a movement or a set of rules by which we should live, but an on-going dialogue and debate that is constantly evolving. I would argue that those who dislike where feminism is going (as they see it) should think about getting involved in that debate.
The academic research I have read makes it clear that people are supportive of equal rights but unhappy to identify as feminist. This is in the main due to 'post-feminist' or 'backlash' discourses present in the mass media that attempt to represent feminism as having 'gone to far' or as no longer needed as equality has been achieved. Unfortunately for the majority of people these are the only ideas they are exposed to (not suggesting that applies to anyone here) and they don't really understand what feminism is about, it has been depoliticised and has become a dirty word. I think like others have said, you will always get people who you might consider extreme but that doesn't mean that the majority of femininsts don't have something important and relevant to say.
I feel confident that there is space for an open and honest debate within feminism that is about improving the lives of men and women, that liberates us from gender stereotypes and societal expectations about what we mean by terms like 'masculine' and 'feminine'.
This is a very well-thought out and well-written description of what modern feminism is striving to be. I agree with it 100%. One thing I must say though, is that there are some people who just don't want to involve themselves in the dialogue. And sometimes you just can't reach these people. Trying to push them just makes their opinion of feminism even worse.
I am personally interested in what you are writing for your dissertation, Freethinker. If you need to interview anyone sometime, I would love to talk to you.
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