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Unread postPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:21 am 
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tracy-mcm ... 22088.html

This article came out last year and the woman who wrote it wasted no time writing a book filled with the same tripe. In addition to being insulting, shaming, and full of outdated ideas about what marriage should be built on, it's probably the worst advice I've read in a while. I can't believe there's a whole book of this.

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The deal is: most men just want to marry someone who is nice to them. I am the mother of a 13-year-old boy, which is like living with the single-cell protozoa version of a husband. Here's what my son wants out of life: macaroni and cheese, a video game, and Kim Kardashian. Have you ever seen Kim Kardashian angry? I didn't think so. You've seen Kim Kardashian smile, wiggle, and make a sex tape. Female anger terrifies men. I know it seems unfair that you have to work around a man's fear and insecurity in order to get married -- but actually, it's perfect, since working around a man's fear and insecurity is big part of what you'll be doing as a wife.


Because bottling up your anger to make sure your man feels like a masculine man is totally a great basis for marriage.

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When it comes to choosing a husband, only one thing really, truly matters: character. So it stands to reason that a man's character should be at the top of the list of things you are looking for, right? But if you're not married, I already know it isn't. Because if you were looking for a man of character, you would have found one by now. Men of character are, by definition, willing to commit.

Instead, you are looking for someone tall. Or rich. Or someone who knows what an Eames chair is. Unfortunately, this is not the thinking of a wife. This is the thinking of a teenaged girl. And men of character do not want to marry teenaged girls. Because teenage girls are never happy. And they never feel like cooking, either.


Or someone might not be married yet because, y'know, they ARE looking for a man of character. But that's not the big thing here, no, the big thing is those last two sentences there. "Teenaged girls are never happy" um, show me what kind of scientific research she's using to prove that. Sure, teenaged girls sometimes suffer from depression. But so do teenaged boys. And when I was a teenager, there were, in fact, occasions when I was happy. But about that last sentence "They never feel like cooking either." So the message here is men want happy wives that cook for them, so put on a smile and get in the kitchen.

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That's due in part to this thing called oxytocin -- a bonding hormone that is released when a woman a) nurses her baby and b) has an orgasm -- that will totally mess up your casual-sex game. It's why you can be f**k-buddying with some dude who isn't even all that great and the next thing you know, you're totally strung out on him. And you have no idea how it happened. Oxytocin, that's how it happened. And since nature can't discriminate between marriage material and Charlie Sheen, you're going to have to start being way more selective than you are right now.


I'm getting so tired of the oxytocin argument. It's the same bs used in arguments about female "need" to have children.

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If you're not married, chances are you think a lot about you. You think about your thighs, your outfits, your naso-labial folds. You think about your career, or if you don't have one, you think about doing yoga teacher training. Sometimes you think about how marrying a wealthy guy -- or at least a guy with a really, really good job -- would solve all your problems.

Howevs, a good wife, even a halfway decent one, does not spend most of her day thinking about herself. She has too much s**t to do, especially after having kids. This is why you see a lot of celebrity women getting husbands after they adopt. The kids put the woman on notice: Bitch, hello! It's not all about you anymore! After a year or two of thinking about someone other than herself, suddenly, Brad Pitt or Harrison Ford comes along and decides to significantly other her. Which is also to say -- if what you really want is a baby, go get you one. Your husband will be along shortly. Motherhood has a way of weeding out the lotharios.


I am personally insulted by this one. Because I happen to be someone who is going into yoga teacher training. I have been doing yoga for six years and I want to teach it. That is a perfectly legitimate career and I don't know what her issue with it is, but she could stand not to look down her nose at it.

Oh, and lets not forget her lovely more-than-suggestion that unmarried women should get pregnant to find a man.

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Alright, so that's the bad news. The good news is that I believe every woman who wants to can find a great partner. You're just going to need to get rid of the idea that marriage will make you happy. It won't. Once the initial high wears off, you'll just be you, except with twice as much laundry.

Because ultimately, marriage is not about getting something -- it's about giving it. Strangely, men understand this more than we do. Probably because for them marriage involves sacrificing their most treasured possession -- a free-agent penis -- and for us, it's the culmination of a princess fantasy so universal, it built Disneyland.

The bottom line is that marriage is just a long-term opportunity to practice loving someone even when they don't deserve it


Okay...so...marriage will make us unhappy, we will be doing everyone's laundry, (coupled with her heavy pushing toward the kitchen and having children to find a man) the sexism is palpable. Also, a man's biggest sacrifice is giving you his penis. Don't you feel special? You Disney Princess? *gag* I don't know about anyone else, but I'm sure as hell not going to marry someone who doesn't deserve it. For any reason. Sure, married couples argue from time to time. Par for the course of marriage. If I never expected to disagree with my husband at some point, then I wouldn't be ready to get married. But loving someone when they don't deserve it? That's a whole different ballpark. And she calls it the "opportunity" like it's a good thing. Like we should relish the idea of loving someone who doesn't deserve it.

This article came out last year, but someone put it on their facebook singing it's praises like it was the word of God. Gimme a break...

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Unread postPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:41 am 
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LOL, well if she and the half-witted morons who think this is good advice want to live that way, then so it be it.....It just leaves more space for those of us who are independant thinkers and don't think that a) marriage is a necessity b) kids are a necessity ........ and.....c) want to be happy d) think men are also intelligent capable beings who are also able to do their own cooking and laundry.

If this helps mop up the fuckwits, then I'm all for it..........the vapid bints who can't see past a wedding band and the blokes who want a substitute mother can set up house and create some space for the rest of us.

Regretably there are a lot of people out there who seem to think that 'marriage' is the end game in itself......so if she profits from that thinking then fair enough.

I'm also pissed off with the oxytocin argument, I've had casual sex on occasion, I don't recall getting 'strung-out' on any of them. The number of mothers who kill, maim and abuse their kids may also point to this particular paradigm being flawed.

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Unread postPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:43 am 
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Wow what a load. I'm not married because:

1. I'm not in a hurry to get married.
2. I'm quite used to living by myself and I do like it.
3. If I were to get married, I would get married to a good man who was a good match for me all around and who I trust and love.
4. I take marriage VERY seriously and want to be sure I'm doing the right thing before going through with it.
5. I'm not quite ready to make that leap yet.
6. I'm a no-good, angry, selfish, bitchy, shallow, slutty liar. Damn! She was right!


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Unread postPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:05 am 
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Oh yeah, there's this too. She's a triple divorcee who's 3rd husband was an inmate. Excellent source of advice, eh?

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She doesn't seem to have a very high opinion of men or women. I guess that is why she has made such stellar life choices. I'll stick to my way, thanks. :roll:

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Unread postPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:16 am 
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What's with everyone’s obsession with marriage in this society? First their telling people you can't get married (gays) and then their telling people they have to get married. Then they are handing out brownie point to people that got married and it failed as bronze medal of some kind "you tried but you didn't make it"?. Why god green earth if you wanted to get married and are failing at your attempt would you listen to a women who has been married three times. Would you want advice from someone who got it right the first time when they where selecting a mate. Marriage is great if you crave stability and have reasonable expectations of people behaviour.

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Unread postPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:03 am 
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Crikey!! send her back to the 50's!!!

My hubby works from home so he does all the housework,as for women bringing up kids and being a mother to both child & husband I can't even cook and can just about look after myself god help having to look after 2 other people in my life :mrgreen: !!!!

I am the fiery one in our relationship and he's the calming level headed one out of us so really he's like the woman in our relationship and i'm like the man! :roll:


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Dear Fruitcake,

June Cleaver called. She wants that bottle of bourbon back.

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Unread postPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:25 am 
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LOL what stupid crap, ah she cannot even get the stupid useless crap right, ( she definetly does not watch "Keeping with the Kadashians", because Kim gets angry very often) FAIL!

Why would anyone want to get married if it would make them unhappier and they would have to sacrifice things that are important to them? Makes no sense.


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Unread postPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:17 am 
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Somehow I can't picture the line of men queuing up to go out single mothers. Based on hearsay it's much more difficult to find a partner if you're a single parent, not easier. She also says this will wheedle out the "lotharios" as if every man who wouldn't go out with a single mother is a womaniser - rather than the fact it's perfectly reasonable for men to be wary/put off altogether even if they want children.

"marriage involves sacrificing their most treasured possession -- a free-agent penis" - ugh, again stereotyping all men as wanting to shag whoever they like, whenever they like. If a man is truly devastated and feels like they're making a sacrifice at the point of getting married/committing to a long-term relationship, then they're not suited to it.

Her comments just make me think she's had terribly unhappy marriages and her stereotypes of both sexes is hardly the recipe for a happy marriage/long-term relationship.


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